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Friday, May 5, 2017

Goffman, Nuclear Chemist, Explains in Interview How Corrupt and Dangerous the Radiation Industry Is

Some quotes:
The whole interview is here, nicely on one page

Drop a comment here after reading the whole interview.    Mahalo, stock

GOFMAN:   We have to get back to a simple understanding of the concepts of liberty, justice, and truth.
        You know, Frederick Douglass--then an ex-slave--made an important statement about power. He said, "Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them. . . . The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."
        People have to see the truth in Douglass's words . . . they have to realize that a lot of freedom is being taken away from them, and they have to learn how to take it back.
PLOWBOY:   So the first step is education. We Americans have to become aware of how we're being used.
GOFMAN:   Yes, but it's not just Americans who need to wake up. We may not have perfect freedom here, but comparing our liberties to those of people in the world's totalitarian countries is like comparing night and day. The journey to full liberty for much of the rest of the world will be a very tough one.
        So we need to preserve and extend our own freedoms and help men and women in totalitarian countries resist coercion, as well. All of the world's peoples need to work toward liberty.

Roger Batzel--who, by the way, once admitted to a TV journalist that even he didn't see any errors in our calculations--came up to me. "Jack," he said, "last year the AEC told us that we'd have to cancel your chromosome and cancer research program. Now you may not believe this, but Mike May and I both said that--although we disagree heartily with you concerning your actions against nuclear power--we think your lab work on chromosomes is first rate, so we're not going to cancel it."
        I started to assure Roger that I appreciated his efforts, but he went on: "This year the AEC people have told us that either we cancel your work or they'll simply cut our budget by the $250,000 that your program costs . . . which would force us to fire somebody else in order to keep you."
PLOWBOY:   Now that's devious!
GOFMAN:   Roger said he'd leave the decision up to me. Well, I couldn't force another project to lose out in order to keep my program. So I told Roger that I thought I might be able to get funding from the National Cancer Institute . . . and asked whether he'd get me the approval to move all my scanners, culture equipment, and other research gear to Berkeley. Roger agreed.
        At first, my plan looked as if it would work smoothly. I talked with Frank Rauscher, the head of the National Cancer Institute, and he was quite excited about funding my chromosome work. In fact, Frank said the research would tie in perfectly with some breast cancer studies the Institute was doing at Yale. All he'd need, before giving me the go-ahead, was three or four weeks to look into the funding.
        Well, about seven weeks later, I still hadn't heard from him, and--since it was getting near the time when Roger would have to cut his budget--I wrote a little note to remind him . . . and got back a letter, from an assistant I didn't even know, saying, "Thank you very much for your inquiry. The program that you're proposing is not in the mainline interest of the National Cancer Institute. But if you ever have any ideas in the future, please call us."
        That was the end of my research. The next day, a program that could have been very important to world health, one that I'd worked on for seven years, was completely dismantled. All the people were reassigned to other scientists' work . . . in fact, to anyone's work as long as it wasn't mine. It was one of the saddest days of my life.
PLOWBOY:   Yet nothing was done that you could point to to improper?
GOFMAN:   Oh no. Everybody knew, of course, that I didn't want to give up the research program. But I had to. It's really a rather common story: There's just no room for scientific truth in government-funded work when the truth in any way goes against a program that the government--or any of its special interests--wants to carry through. And I believe it's an outrage that we're taxed to support dishonest scientists . . . or to finance science that's being paid to provide a fa├žade.

stock here: nothing new under the sun.   Nuclear has been corrupt out of the gate.

This interview is from 1981

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